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  • BonusCashFX
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    Originally posted by primi View Post
    Yes I did invest in low risk strategy.
    primi Looks like he blew all of the profits you earned except for about 3%. So you're down 3% - sub fees?

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  • Amadorian
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    Originally posted by RenkoGuy

    Are you still talking to this Clown ?
    Yes, otherwise the truth will be lost in all the motivational speeches and advertising from otb.


    Originally posted by OutsideTheBoxHK View Post
    Doesn't look hypothetical to me.

    And again, please at least quote the facts if you want to complain. Since you cut your investment, we've made 25% and 32% in consecutive months. Sure doesn't appear like luck to me. Luck cannot be repeated over and over and over again. Luck does not have a hit rate of over 90%
    As a math teacher, you should know better...

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  • primi
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    Originally posted by OutsideTheBoxHK View Post
    Doesn't look hypothetical to me.

    1. please open your eyes - two strategies below PLUS the current low risk strategy of 2 years @ 118% gain. Not a peep out of you regarding these. Add up the profit from these three below. Not too shabby even with all the losses you were talking about at high risk -- which would be even less if you take profits to lower risk levels and off the table.
    And again, please at least quote the facts if you want to complain. Since you cut your investment, we've made 25% and 32% in consecutive months. Sure doesn't appear like luck to me. Luck cannot be repeated over and over and over again. Luck does not have a hit rate of over 90%. Especially when I'm having to field all this negativity here. We understand that YOU are pissed. This other dude too. You don't want to trust and ride it out. That's your choice so live with it. If you do as I say, you actually would be almost as happy as I am right now.
    2. please copy all the trades at the same risk as I do, otherwise your returns are not my responsibility
    3. please follow my instructions about how to take profits off the table each month, and how to allocate specific percentages of your overall capital to different risk multipliers.
    4. please withdraw some of profits regularly
    5. please do not CUT your investment at the bottom of a drawdown, these are the exact times to ADD to your investment
    (if you had done this as I did after June -- and turned the risk multiplier higher than 1x -- which I also have done -- then you would not be so irritable and disgruntled right now). This emotional style of fretting is damaging to one's overall return over the long haul -- which is what forex investment is -- a long journey not for the faint of heart.


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    Nobody in his right mint would not cut when I did. At that point you

    1. blew all your high risk account for the third time in 5 or 6 months
    2. went up to 70% DD on your low risk account
    3. blew 1 account in less than 1 week!!!

    So I continued when you blew it the first time, then you kept making the same mistakes and blew it all again. Then you just kept going only to blow it the third time. Your high risk account is nothing more than your low risk account on steroids. You had absolutely no idea how to handle DD with your high risk accounts and I'm glad I witnessed that because when you did that for the third time it became crystal clear that you still don't know how to handle DD. Cutting trades at 15% DD is just an excuse to keep the most stupid and desperate clients for a little while longer. And that's all you're left with. Stupid clients and gamblers. There's always enough of those it seems.

    If you think I'm irritated by the fact that now you made some profit again and I'm not with you anymore - think again. I'm just telling it like it is. Your trading did not improve. Your ability to handle DD did not improve. Following you only brings losses no matter how much you try to convince everyone with your track record. It doesn't work for anybody but you.

    And don't talk to me about hit rates. You can't look at hit rate on its own. And when you factor in the other things it becomes crystal clear that luck is all it is.

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  • Amadorian
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    Originally posted by OutsideTheBoxHK View Post

    more profits, income, and happy clients for me.
    more sad and drab attitude out of you.
    keep complaining and see where it gets you.
    I've seen the awesome side of forex, and I have lived full time off my own profits off appreciating capital for 3 years now.
    Don't worry, i have no plans of trading other peoples money anyway

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  • OutsideTheBoxHK
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    Doesn't look hypothetical to me.

    1. please open your eyes - two strategies below PLUS the current low risk strategy of 2 years @ 118% gain. Not a peep out of you regarding these. Add up the profit from these three below. Not too shabby even with all the losses you were talking about at high risk -- which would be even less if you take profits to lower risk levels and off the table.
    And again, please at least quote the facts if you want to complain. Since you cut your investment, we've made 25% and 32% in consecutive months. Sure doesn't appear like luck to me. Luck cannot be repeated over and over and over again. Luck does not have a hit rate of over 90%. Especially when I'm having to field all this negativity here. We understand that YOU are pissed. This other dude too. You don't want to trust and ride it out. That's your choice so live with it. If you do as I say, you actually would be almost as happy as I am right now.
    2. please copy all the trades at the same risk as I do, otherwise your returns are not my responsibility
    3. please follow my instructions about how to take profits off the table each month, and how to allocate specific percentages of your overall capital to different risk multipliers.
    4. please withdraw some of profits regularly
    5. please do not CUT your investment at the bottom of a drawdown, these are the exact times to ADD to your investment
    (if you had done this as I did after June -- and turned the risk multiplier higher than 1x -- which I also have done -- then you would not be so irritable and disgruntled right now). This emotional style of fretting is damaging to one's overall return over the long haul -- which is what forex investment is -- a long journey not for the faint of heart.


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  • primi
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    Originally posted by OutsideTheBoxHK View Post

    Yes and primi conveniently left out the most profitable OTB strategies to include in his total returns / profits. And he does not want to correct his overall measurement, analysis, or calculation, because he did not invest in the low risk strategy like is prudent and wise. I always advise clients of mine to invest diminishing amounts of capital starting first with the largest amount at low risk, then decreasing amounts as you work your way up the risk continuum. This is a much better way to capture enduring profits efficiently and in the safest manner.

    Again, you left this bit out, the longest running OTB strategies were the most successful and consisent, and you did not highlight them in your analysis as you only wanted to present a dark picture of my trading systems since you have consistently only posted cynical and pessimistic posts and comments in the past year or so.
    There is no profitable OTB strategy. All there is (and that's what you're talking about all the time) are some hypothetical results not achievable in real life.

    Yes I did invest in low risk strategy. Only it was actually not low risk. Here is my account from the first day I started following you to the last. You can clearly see that I made no money whatsoever because I had to pay subscription fees on top of that. AND the one thing missing here are your exotic trades that also blew your high risk accounts and I refused to copy those. So my result is actually better than what it would have been if left alone.

    This is the kind of real life result I'm talking about, not your theory.

    After all this and these facts:

    - you blew all of your higher risk accounts
    - you went first in 20% DD, later it went up to 40% and finally on the third occassion it went as high as 70% DD on low risk
    - you're totaly unreliable and can't be trusted to stick to anything you say

    on top of it, why do you think any sane person would still invest with you? Because you took immense risk and got lucky for once and suddenly made 30% in a month? Dream on.

    Do you want to see the devastation you made to my high risk account? Yeah, better not.
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  • OutsideTheBoxHK
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    Originally posted by Amadorian View Post
    Maybe i'll make it public some day, in the meantime you'll just have to believe me that i'm a successfull trader.




    What a coincidence that he contacted you just now when we were talking about it....
    You know, its things like those that make everything you say sound so dubious, maybe its true, but its so utterly convenient..
    more profits, income, and happy clients for me.
    more sad and drab attitude out of you.
    keep complaining and see where it gets you.
    I've seen the awesome side of forex, and I have lived full time off my own profits off appreciating capital for 3 years now.

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  • OutsideTheBoxHK
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    Originally posted by primi View Post
    What primi did was calculate losses for everyone to see. He did not calculate profits. Don't lie and deceive.
    Yes and primi conveniently left out the most profitable OTB strategies to include in his total returns / profits. And he does not want to correct his overall measurement, analysis, or calculation, because he did not invest in the low risk strategy like is prudent and wise. I always advise clients of mine to invest diminishing amounts of capital starting first with the largest amount at low risk, then decreasing amounts as you work your way up the risk continuum. This is a much better way to capture enduring profits efficiently and in the safest manner.

    Again, you left this bit out, the longest running OTB strategies were the most successful and consisent, and you did not highlight them in your analysis as you only wanted to present a dark picture of my trading systems since you have consistently only posted cynical and pessimistic posts and comments in the past year or so.

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  • Amadorian
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    Originally posted by OutsideTheBoxHK View Post
    Amadorian

    In the meantime, we'd love to see what type of trading you do believe in, the awesome successful trading that you are accomplishing on your own.
    Maybe i'll make it public some day, in the meantime you'll just have to believe me that i'm a successfull trader.


    Just had a subscriber write this morning stating he is nearly going to surpass the $75,000 limit I have placed on this SimpleTrader signal. I have another signal with UNLIMITED MAX INVESTMENT or PAMM fund for those with investment capital over $75,000. This investor is obviously very happy with my services and trading.
    What a coincidence that he contacted you just now when we were talking about it....
    You know, its things like those that make everything you say sound so dubious, maybe its true, but its so utterly convenient..

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  • primi
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    What primi did was calculate losses for everyone to see. He did not calculate profits. Don't lie and deceive.

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  • OutsideTheBoxHK
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    My "should" is different than your "should".
    I serve the wider community, not overly-active doubters, complainers, and/or vindictive.
    Hopefully these subscribers and/or clients will be prompted by my posts and they will choose on their own to verify what I am describing. If not, I will leave my word as my word.
    Going forward, I know you will continue to say that I have not followed my "rules/guidelines" so how can I then be trusted?
    Well, I would say there is a difference between:

    1 - living by and obeying 100% of my trading guidelines
    2 - and providing details about the End Result / Gains / Profits that investors have made

    One can be verified by looking at the trading history... and has led to MORE PROFITS than losses. Which primi has even calculated for everyone to see.
    The TOTAL PROFIT from all systems that I have run over the past 3 years on MyFXbook are at least $40,000 USD. On invested capital of far less than that.

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  • ccjhuang
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    Originally posted by OutsideTheBoxHK View Post
    Amadorian Noted. You doubt. We all have heard it many times and in many forms before. Then you'll just have to wait. In the meantime, we'd love to see what type of trading you do believe in, the awesome successful trading that you are accomplishing on your own.

    Just had a subscriber write this morning stating he is nearly going to surpass the $75,000 limit I have placed on this SimpleTrader signal. I have another signal with UNLIMITED MAX INVESTMENT or PAMM fund for those with investment capital over $75,000. This investor is obviously very happy with my services and trading.

    I cannot give further proof as I do not have permission from them and do not want to ask this permission because it's basically pointless. All trade records, private messages, screenshots can be falsified when a trader has the incentive and the lack of morals -- and I've seen this on forex websites repeatedly -- so I choose not to engage in this sort of proof. Instead I choose to focus on my trading and on the satisfied investors who do choose to take the risk along with me.
    Hmm...I would say if you canít give proof for whatever reason, then you shouldnít even mention those accounts in the first place as thatís just pointless.

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  • OutsideTheBoxHK
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    Amadorian Noted. You doubt. We all have heard it many times and in many forms before. Then you'll just have to wait. In the meantime, we'd love to see what type of trading you do believe in, the awesome successful trading that you are accomplishing on your own.

    Just had a subscriber write this morning stating he is nearly going to surpass the $75,000 limit I have placed on this SimpleTrader signal. I have another signal with UNLIMITED MAX INVESTMENT or PAMM fund for those with investment capital over $75,000. This investor is obviously very happy with my services and trading.

    I cannot give further proof as I do not have permission from them and do not want to ask this permission because it's basically pointless. All trade records, private messages, screenshots can be falsified when a trader has the incentive and the lack of morals -- and I've seen this on forex websites repeatedly -- so I choose not to engage in this sort of proof. Instead I choose to focus on my trading and on the satisfied investors who do choose to take the risk along with me.

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  • Amadorian
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    Originally posted by OutsideTheBoxHK View Post
    As for "convincing" you and other verbose, loose-lipped people here...

    That said, I don't have enough incentive to go to my loyal and sane investors for the SOLE PURPOSE of proving their "private, off-the-record and offline" profits to cynical people here who seemingly can't or don't want to properly analyze the predominant features of an equity curve.
    We did properly analize the equity curve and found it impossible for investors to make money with your signals.
    Well, thats sad as i don't believe in myths.

    1. I see you don't want to be convinced or persuaded.
    2. This journey and feed is now intended for other people who want to engage in healthy and balanced intellectual discussion
    3. I want to protect the assets under management and re-claim the high water mark as quickly and as safely as I can
    4. I do not want more drama
    5. I do want to serve people who are kind, respectful, stats-minded, profit-minded, and bold in their decisions.
    6. when people make money in some creative endeavour, they normally don't want to share the methodology with others, because they want to enjoy it as much as possible in privacy and safety
    7. I trust that the public will review the equity curve, the stats, the trade history, and will make their own decisions regardless of seeing "proofs" of profits that have already been verified by MyFXBook, SignalStart, MQL5, and other independently verified forex trading platforms.
    8. Some of my other clients have posted in this thread previously, if others want to freely do so now, I will allow them to make their own recommendations.
    1.- Wrong, thats why i'm asking for facts, which you sadly don't have the incentive to provide.
    2.- We have a healthy discussion.
    3.- I don't doubt that, i doubt that it'll work out as you try to convince us.
    4.- Less arrogance, honesty and sticking to the rules you set yourself would help.
    5.- okay.
    6.- okay.. whatever..
    7.- Thats what we are doing, reviewing everything. Also the many crashed accounts that aren't visible anymore. They are important, its those accounts that change the big picture.
    8.- Nice that you allow them the freedom of speech


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  • ccjhuang
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    First of all, I donít really need any subscribers because I can just trade and make money for myself. I started using the SFE EAs since 2016 and with my early success people have asked to copy my account so I started the signal. I am not bothered if I have no subscribers at all, but I am just staying around to let people know how they should trade forex properly to make money in the long term - stick to a system that has a long statistical edge over the market!

    You are right that the drawdown period can be long with the SFE EAs, but itís the long term result that really counts. Personally I am happy to have a DD for a year or two as long as the account will eventually get back to equity high. The sad thing is most people only look for short term profits and they end up always losing in the long term because the systems they use have no statistical edge over the market.

    About the DD on my account. I had recently posted an explanation about it on Donna Forex, but I will post it again here so people can understand:

    Also just a quick word about the drawdown on my account.

    I know 88% drawdown seems scary, but it's because I actually choose to leave most of my funds in my bank account to offset my home mortgage rather than leaving it in the Forex account just to make the DD look smaller.


    I am prepared to invest at least $100K in this account so if you look at the profit graph attached, the absolute DD was only about -$15K which means the absolute DD was only 15% out of the $100K I am prepared to put in if required. Even if you go for the biggest trough from +$30K to -$15K which is a loss of -$45K, it would be 45% loss which is well within what I am prepared for. After all, trading SFE PA at 3 lots per trade is only recommended for a US$300K account (0.01 lot per US$1000 was recommended by the author), which is equivalent to trading a US$300K/0.68 = AU$441K account.

    Of course, trading AU$100K capital for a virtual AU$441K account means I would still be wiped out if there is a DD of $100K/$441K = 22.7% or more (trading at recommended risk). But knowing the EA's cycles and how it works, I am quite confident now is the time it will start making gains instead of losing more (as I explained in the previous post it's now about time for SFE PA to make some gains given it's reaching its past max drawdown and it has had 4 months of losses until now).

    Anyway, there's my little trading secret. You can feel free to still call me a gambler, but we will see if the numbers hold up for me in the next few months.


    SFE Profit graph.jpg

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