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  • Originally posted by OutsideTheBoxHK View Post
    stop posting foolish and inaccurate comments. reducing open drawdown is part of what this strategy does very well.
    What part is inaccurate or foolish?

    The amounts you quote for assets under management for this strategy are also not accurate.
    You were bragging about an investor that has 100k invested in you. Thats were i took it from. So if thats not accurate you lied back then?!
    Testing out your strategy while having that much money from other people invested in you is a dick move.

    I have run a profitable strategy for nearly 3 years, and it is still active.
    With a 60% dd two times already after you promised a 15% stop "hard coded into the pamm software", yes.

    I have already said that my "rules" are not the type of "you must obey or you certainly cannot execute any alternative options" type of rules and I have said this countless times for all to read.
    Again, saying that there is a 15% stop hard coded into the software, doesnt sound like a "guideline" but a rule that will be followed automatically.

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    • Originally posted by Amadorian View Post
      What part is inaccurate or foolish?

      You were bragging about an investor that has 100k invested in you. Thats were i took it from. So if thats not accurate you lied back then?!
      Testing out your strategy while having that much money from other people invested in you is a dick move.

      With a 60% dd two times already after you promised a 15% stop "hard coded into the pamm software", yes.

      Again, saying that there is a 15% stop hard coded into the software, doesnt sound like a "guideline" but a rule that will be followed automatically.
      1. Open drawdown is more like 7% right now or less
      2. I don't have rules... I have guidelines
      3. yes I set a 15% drawdown limit, and then I turned it off... now the wisdom of that decision is quite clear... USDJPY and DOW are poised and accumulated for major downside
      4. I have one investor with about $120,000 invested yes, and this is just a mere fact -- nothing to boast about, but I have 25 other investors as well and about 25 trade copiers.
      5. Traders trade differently depending upon new environments all the time -- it's not uncommon to do new things depending on timing, cycles, and fundamentals.
      6. I did not have 60% DD two times -- just wrong -- the 2nd large DD wasn't even 50%, so you got your numbers wrong. Now open DD is only 7% -- AND THAT IS UNDER ONE MONTH of recovery time. Get the power?
      7. I don't make promises to my clients. They trust me and that's it.

      Now finally, move on. You obviously don't like my system. So go find one or create one on your own. I'd love to see what you make or find.
      Talk positives. That is what makes money.
      “Learn from your mistakes and do not give up!”

      [URL="https://www.myfxbook.com/members/OutsideTheBoxHK/outside-box-master-account/2087437"][B]Outside the Box - Myfxbook[/B][/URL]
      [B][URL="https://www.simpletrader.net/signal/10457/Outside-the-Box-NEW.html"]Outside the Box - SimpleTrader [/URL][/B][URL="https://www.simpletrader.net/signal/10457/Outside-the-Box-NEW.html"][B]Trade Copying[/B][/URL]

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      • "Now finally, move on. You obviously don't like my system."

        There is no system, just a poor scalper is what you are.
        You really have no clue about trading.

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        • Originally posted by OutsideTheBoxHK View Post

          1. Open drawdown is more like 7% right now or less
          Now it is, but not when i made that post, so its neither foolish nor incorrect.

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          2. I don't have rules... I have guidelines
          3. yes I set a 15% drawdown limit, and then I turned it off... now the wisdom of that decision is quite clear... USDJPY and DOW are poised and accumulated for major downside
          "The wisdom".. omg... but okay, whatever
          And again, when you made that 15% hard stop... on none of your posts it was said that it is just a guideline. I even asked you about it and you said its a stop set by your broker. It was a lie!

          4. I have one investor with about $120,000 invested yes, and this is just a mere fact -- nothing to boast about, but I have 25 other investors as well and about 25 trade copiers.
          Okay, so what did i say that was wrong? I even implied that there may be more than one investor with 100k.

          5. Traders trade differently depending upon new environments all the time -- it's not uncommon to do new things depending on timing, cycles, and fundamentals.
          I really don't care what any trader does as long as he doesn't play with investors money. Once you have investors things are different.

          6. I did not have 60% DD two times -- just wrong -- the 2nd large DD wasn't even 50%, so you got your numbers wrong. Now open DD is only 7% -- AND THAT IS UNDER ONE MONTH of recovery time. Get the power?
          You closed at 15% dd for one time, then you were in a 45%dd... 15+45 = 60%, easy math dear teacher. But okay, lets meet in the middle and lets say it was only 55%, what a difference.

          7. I don't make promises to my clients. They trust me and that's it.
          You do, you promise a 15% hard stop and then don't act accordingly.


          Now finally, move on. You obviously don't like my system. So go find one or create one on your own. I'd love to see what you make or find.
          Talk positives. That is what makes money.
          Maybe i'll when i get bored from it, but at the moment its fun.
          Last edited by Amadorian; 10-01-2019, 05:50 PM.

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          • both of you spend most of your time assessing and criticising systems of others, which leaves you less and less time to do the real business which is making money.
            1. commissions
            2. performance fees
            3. subscription fees
            4. equity gains

            I have done all of these for 3 years and I am currently doing 3 of these, and once I hit the High Water Mark I will be back to all four.
            It's not only about "good trading" it's about the bottom line -- do you make money doing what you do?
            I do. But you are not doing so in making negative remarks here. So not sure why you are so determined, but I will guarantee you -- I am more determined, so do as you wish.
            “Learn from your mistakes and do not give up!”

            [URL="https://www.myfxbook.com/members/OutsideTheBoxHK/outside-box-master-account/2087437"][B]Outside the Box - Myfxbook[/B][/URL]
            [B][URL="https://www.simpletrader.net/signal/10457/Outside-the-Box-NEW.html"]Outside the Box - SimpleTrader [/URL][/B][URL="https://www.simpletrader.net/signal/10457/Outside-the-Box-NEW.html"][B]Trade Copying[/B][/URL]

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            • Originally posted by OutsideTheBoxHK View Post
              both of you spend most of your time assessing and criticising systems of others, which leaves you less and less time to do the real business which is making money.
              Exactly the opposite, because i'm doing real business, i have enough free time to criticise your behaviour

              1. commissions
              2. performance fees
              3. subscription fees
              4. equity gains
              No doubt about 1, 2 and 3. But looking at all of your accounts that we've seen, nr. 4 doesn't seem to make a big impact, especially not for investors, even when your systems where running better (except your first one, which had a good run).

              It's not only about "good trading" it's about the bottom line -- do you make money doing what you do?
              I do. But you are not doing so in making negative remarks here.
              You have no morals, that is the problem, you're proud that you make money out of commissions, perfomance fees and subscription fees. Okay, fine, but what do the investors get? Huge drawdowns, crashed accounts that you sell as "low risk", lies, ....

              So not sure why you are so determined, but I will guarantee you -- I am more determined, so do as you wish.
              Because thats what heroes do ^^ And challange accepted!


              BTW, why didn't you update your "New Pamm" for a full month? Would really like to see the 2.5x one.
              Last edited by Amadorian; 10-02-2019, 08:09 AM.

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              • All public systems that do not have their Myfxbook publishers running on a VPS or dedicated server have been updated.
                I have minimised the number of EA's running on my VPS, so that I can have more MT4 platforms running simultaneously without the associated load being too heavy for processing, which leads to MT4 terminals crashing and sometimes not being alerted. This then results in missed copied trades and "zombie" trades not being managed by the master account. Was a tough month in Sept, but we still made a profit and drawdown is now almost gone!

                Mt Cook Master PAMM -- http://www.myfxbook.com/members/Outs...t-cook/3319100
                Mt Cook NEW PAMM -- http://www.myfxbook.com/members/Outs...w-pamm/3494947
                Mt Cook NEW PAMM (2x risk) -- http://www.myfxbook.com/members/Outs...m-risk/3494990
                Mt Cook NEW PAMM (2.5x risk) -- http://www.myfxbook.com/members/Outs...m-risk/3495023
                Darwinex XUX Darwin (award winnning) -- https://www.darwinex.com/darwin/XUX.4.15/
                -- http://www.myfxbook.com/members/OutsideTheBoxHK/outside-box-darwinex-xux/3173289

                Darwinex BUC Darwin -- https://www.darwinex.com/darwin/BUC.4.24/
                -- http://www.myfxbook.com/members/OutsideTheBoxHK/outside-box-darwinex-buc/3173282

                Darwinex BUX Darwin (award winning) -- https://www.darwinex.com/darwin/BUX.4.4/
                “Learn from your mistakes and do not give up!”

                [URL="https://www.myfxbook.com/members/OutsideTheBoxHK/outside-box-master-account/2087437"][B]Outside the Box - Myfxbook[/B][/URL]
                [B][URL="https://www.simpletrader.net/signal/10457/Outside-the-Box-NEW.html"]Outside the Box - SimpleTrader [/URL][/B][URL="https://www.simpletrader.net/signal/10457/Outside-the-Box-NEW.html"][B]Trade Copying[/B][/URL]

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                • Originally posted by Amadorian View Post

                  BTW, why didn't you update your "New Pamm" for a full month? Would really like to see the 2.5x one.
                  It was just quietly removed, just like every other account that failed.

                  I'm not sure why he insists on making stupid promisses that he can't keep. That has to be his worst business decission. Just come out and say everybody's complete account equity is at risk at all times. His promises, lies, deceptions, every person with even peanut sized brain should be capable of seeing through it all so at this point in time it really does not make any sense anymore.

                  He can cater to gamblers, there are plenty of those out there interested in gambling so just go with that. Any serious investor will stay well clear of him. The fact that somebody has 120.000 to invest does not make that person a serious investor. A fool or a gambler or both at the same time. Nothing else.

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                  • Originally posted by primi View Post

                    It was just quietly removed, just like every other account that failed.

                    I'm not sure why he insists on making stupid promisses that he can't keep. That has to be his worst business decission. Just come out and say everybody's complete account equity is at risk at all times. His promises, lies, deceptions, every person with even peanut sized brain should be capable of seeing through it all so at this point in time it really does not make any sense anymore.

                    He can cater to gamblers, there are plenty of those out there interested in gambling so just go with that. Any serious investor will stay well clear of him. The fact that somebody has 120.000 to invest does not make that person a serious investor. A fool or a gambler or both at the same time. Nothing else.

                    Maybe double check what you are saying first.
                    Also read all the posts I write, as you are wrong. The New PAMM at 2.5x risk is doing wonderfully and it's link was in my last post and here again:
                    http://www.myfxbook.com/members/Outs...m-risk/3495023

                    Promises are for marriage and that's about it.
                    Setting horizontal stop loss areas is not wise in certain environments and times.
                    Yes, even people with less education and understanding can see that my systems are profitable for a lengthly period. Thanks for your awesome vote of confidence.
                    Stay tuned. And especially once I get a sizeable income per month and it is stable over at least 3 months then yes I will dial down risk, be much more reliable as far as risk management guidelines, but for now I am emphasising profit side until I arrive at that level where single month income is where I want it to be. I would think investors would want this type of manager, so that they too can increase the 2nd stream of income they could have with alternative investing.

                    It's funny how you guys use adversarial names like "gambler" and "fool" like you are the one who is competent and unbiased to make these definitions and assessments.
                    One the most profitable mathematician-turned-traders who I have ever read about, Ed Thorpe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_O._Thorp), was a gambler, investor, and trader with his mathematical understanding and prowess. He developed systems to beat both the markets and the dealer. So it is my honor to accept that title, although I have a long way to go, but I know I'll make it.
                    “Learn from your mistakes and do not give up!”

                    [URL="https://www.myfxbook.com/members/OutsideTheBoxHK/outside-box-master-account/2087437"][B]Outside the Box - Myfxbook[/B][/URL]
                    [B][URL="https://www.simpletrader.net/signal/10457/Outside-the-Box-NEW.html"]Outside the Box - SimpleTrader [/URL][/B][URL="https://www.simpletrader.net/signal/10457/Outside-the-Box-NEW.html"][B]Trade Copying[/B][/URL]

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                    • Originally posted by OutsideTheBoxHK View Post
                      FYI.... 19.5% so far this month on the new strategy, new risk for a higher risk PAMM....
                      https://www.myfxbook.com/members/OutsideTheBoxHK/outside-box-hotforex-pamm/2239172
                      https://my.hotforex.com/en/pamm/showDetail.html?managerID=1141086
                      (see details here)


                      and....56.9% so far this month.... on a High Return Trade Copying Account also at HotForex…..
                      shows you that I can still punch out those returns like last year....would like to register this signal here at SimpleTrader once I increase balance to $3000
                      https://www.myfxbook.com/members/OutsideTheBoxHK/hfcopy-provider-hotforex/2450316
                      https://www.mql5.com/en/signals/438289
                      http://www.signalstart.com/analysis/outside-box-high-return/33972 ($40 per month for Trade Copying)

                      trade copying and PAMM funds kickin…. and Master Account chugging to new equity highs... 1% away from New High Water Mark.... and 5% from Equity Highs
                      independently verified stats here: http://www.fxstat.com/en/performance...-Account-84720

                      Outside the Box low risk signal: https://www.simpletrader.net/signal/...e-the-Box.html (5.24 % already in June -- Summer Specials for 3- and 6-month subscription)

                      Outside the Box low risk PAMM: https://www.myfxbook.com/members/OutsideTheBoxHK/outside-box-mt-cook-pamm/2206347 (5.74% in June)
                      http://mtcookfinancial.com/mm-outsid...k/?partners=70
                      Congrats on the recovery. Is it just USDJPY shorts that are open?
                      Do you still have an account on MQL5?
                      Is the hotforex account still being traded = https://www.myfxbook.com/members/Out...himoku/3402737
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                      • Originally posted by OutsideTheBoxHK View Post
                        Yes, even people with less education and understanding can see that my systems are profitable for a lengthly period.
                        Should I post all those crashed accounts of yours that you keep hiding as soon as the crash happens?

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                        • Congrats on the recovery. Is it just USDJPY shorts that are open?
                          Do you still have an account on MQL5?
                          Is the hotforex account still being traded
                          [SIZE=22px]BitcoinWisdomPro [/SIZE]- [URL="https://bit.ly/bitcoinWisdomFS"]Link[/URL]

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                          • MQL5 will have my new systems once their track records mature.
                            Go to myfxbook profile to see all my active systems, including the HotForex account you mentioned.
                            “Learn from your mistakes and do not give up!”

                            [URL="https://www.myfxbook.com/members/OutsideTheBoxHK/outside-box-master-account/2087437"][B]Outside the Box - Myfxbook[/B][/URL]
                            [B][URL="https://www.simpletrader.net/signal/10457/Outside-the-Box-NEW.html"]Outside the Box - SimpleTrader [/URL][/B][URL="https://www.simpletrader.net/signal/10457/Outside-the-Box-NEW.html"][B]Trade Copying[/B][/URL]

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                            • Originally posted by HedgeBitcoin View Post
                              Congrats on the recovery. Is it just USDJPY shorts that are open?
                              Do you still have an account on MQL5?
                              Is the hotforex account still being traded
                              It was no recovery, it was luck.

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                              • Mean reversion over a period of 4 weeks is a common trading method.
                                Just one tool in a traders arsenal.
                                “Learn from your mistakes and do not give up!”

                                [URL="https://www.myfxbook.com/members/OutsideTheBoxHK/outside-box-master-account/2087437"][B]Outside the Box - Myfxbook[/B][/URL]
                                [B][URL="https://www.simpletrader.net/signal/10457/Outside-the-Box-NEW.html"]Outside the Box - SimpleTrader [/URL][/B][URL="https://www.simpletrader.net/signal/10457/Outside-the-Box-NEW.html"][B]Trade Copying[/B][/URL]

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