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  • Outside the Box -- Signal and Mt Cook PAMM fund

    Hi guys.
    I try to keep up with as many forums as possible, but I have to admit that I only have so much time to keep up with numerous communication locations.
    The main one where I have my discussion centrally focused is on Donna Forex, apart from responding to Private Individual Messages this is where I dialogue with public discourse.

    The first year of publicly trading with my stats connected and displayed on MyFXBook, SimpleTrader, MQL5, SignalStart, FXBlue, FXStat and FXJunction has been a successful and profitable one.
    I have been dedicated to offering (as we all hear Nick say too) a profitable FX product that is open and honest. I have worn myself out with technical analysis, responding to queries and comments under 48 hours tops, and managing my risk and open exposure. I aim to continue to do so this next year.
    Have a look at all my relevant links for places I contribute to the FX space.Please understand there are advantages, disadvantages, and promotional offers to seize in each method of investing in my overall trade system. Whether it be with short term Trade Copying returns or with longer term investment method of PAMM fund that I will focus an increasing percentage of my day on as I grow, prove my consistency, and as I learn.

    Outsidethebox HK Signals & PAMM funds

  • ccjhuang
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    Well if people would really like to gamble with their money then they can just join this account which looks even better than yours: https://www.myfxbook.com/members/was.../frero/2406407

    But then again, there is only a little over 2000 trades on that account so I am sure it is also going to crash at some point (it already had several drawdowns up to 40% but managed to survive so far). Also I call this account a “gamble” because I know the system does not have a long term statistical edge over the market; on the other hand, trading with the statistical edge with SFE EAs is a long term “investment”.
    Last edited by ccjhuang; 08-14-2019, 07:02 AM.

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  • OutsideTheBoxHK
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    Originally posted by ccjhuang View Post
    The most important thing in determining whether the result is statistically significant or not is by the sample size, not by the length of time.

    Mt Cook PAM -1958 trades
    OTB 1 - 1014 trades
    OTB 2 - 270 trades

    The combined sample size is simply too small to prove you have a long term statistical edge over the market.

    Yes that would be a more superior sample size from the potential population of total trades.
    But then again, if you want to be one of those first investors in Nike, Wal-Mart, Coca-Cola, Amazon, Apple, or Microsoft, then you have to make projections off the data that you are able to collect and realize that there is much higher reward for investing in a real winner in the early stages when the access is easier and cheaper.

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  • ccjhuang
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    The most important thing in determining whether the result is statistically significant or not is by the sample size, not by the length of time.

    Mt Cook PAM -1958 trades
    OTB 1 - 1014 trades
    OTB 2 - 270 trades

    The combined sample size is simply too small to prove you have a long term statistical edge over the market.

    The official SFE Price Action account now has 21734 trades with over 400% gain since inception: https://www.myfxbook.com/en/members/...action/1331484

    Now that’s how real long term statistical edge should look like.
    Last edited by ccjhuang; 08-14-2019, 03:54 AM.

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  • OutsideTheBoxHK
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    Originally posted by MrMcmahon View Post

    Lol people who are older in the forum know about me and how i have predicted each signal provider's fate correctly .

    Can you even show us a proof that you have a ms in maths ??????
    2.Last year you claimed you were making 100K from fx profits . If some1 is making that kind of money they have a big account and in no way they would trade with mt4 or bother with being a signal provider
    3. Your system edge is to hold on to trades until it turns into a profit .A veteran of this forum will tell you how it will eventually go down no matter what u do ????
    4. Stop fooling urself atleast .It is embarassing to read your comments , feels like written by a 6 year old boy who wants to justify why his toy is the best in the market
    5. Small wins huge loss , which stats book told you that it has an edge ???? Share the book link here .If you do it i will go back in the shadows to never return again

    The best way that traders and gamblers determine whether their strategy has a consistent edge is to calculate the Expected Value or Expectancy of a Distribution with as large of a sample size as possible.

    My most successful strategies have had:

    Mt Cook PAMM -- 25 months
    Profit Factor: 1.32
    Expectancy: 45.8 Pips / $1.82
    Outside the Box part 1 of 2 - see Mt Cook -- 23 months
    Profit Factor: 5.29
    Expectancy: 6.4 Pips / NZ$55.29
    Outside the Box 2 - [closed] -- 7 months
    Profit Factor: infinity
    Expectancy: 10.4 Pips / $3.14

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  • OutsideTheBoxHK
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    Originally posted by Westie View Post
    I'm having a hard time with the Maths teacher idea.

    I did badly in A Level Maths. I didn't take statistics as I was better at applied and pure maths. Even so - I have a rudimentary understanding of probability.

    It isn't clear to me that you do, and it seems even more far fetched that you have a degree in the subject.

    I can only conclude, you were teaching younger children where probability is not covered and you don't need the requisite degree level qualifications to teach.
    You can find my CV on my LinkedIn profile. I studied Pure Mathematics for Bachelors, and Applied Mathematics (which includes high level stats courses) during my MA in Mathematics Education.
    Last edited by OutsideTheBoxHK; 08-14-2019, 01:51 AM.

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  • primi
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    If this move doesn't reverse in a timely manner we will quickly see about that 15% DD limit that magicaly solved everything... I'm pretty sure he's risk off positioned.

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  • MrMcmahon
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    Originally posted by OutsideTheBoxHK View Post
    MrMcmahon ok great. substantiate your claims. these claims can be supported with statistics from my trade history. Please illuminate the path for investors. Why do you say this after such great months of profit??
    Yes I assure you I am a real mathematics teacher of 16 years.
    And the odds and compounding statistics are on the side of this powerful strategy.

    25% growth in July.
    32% growtth in August.
    119% overall for 32 months.
    Sounds awesome to me.
    Lol people who are older in the forum know about me and how i have predicted each signal provider's fate correctly .

    Can you even show us a proof that you have a ms in maths ??????
    2.Last year you claimed you were making 100K from fx profits . If some1 is making that kind of money they have a big account and in no way they would trade with mt4 or bother with being a signal provider
    3. Your system edge is to hold on to trades until it turns into a profit .A veteran of this forum will tell you how it will eventually go down no matter what u do ????
    4. Stop fooling urself atleast .It is embarassing to read your comments , feels like written by a 6 year old boy who wants to justify why his toy is the best in the market
    5. Small wins huge loss , which stats book told you that it has an edge ???? Share the book link here .If you do it i will go back in the shadows to never return again
    Last edited by MrMcmahon; 08-13-2019, 10:40 AM.

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  • Westie
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    I'm having a hard time with the Maths teacher idea.

    I did badly in A Level Maths. I didn't take statistics as I was better at applied and pure maths. Even so - I have a rudimentary understanding of probability.

    It isn't clear to me that you do, and it seems even more far fetched that you have a degree in the subject.

    I can only conclude, you were teaching younger children where probability is not covered and you don't need the requisite degree level qualifications to teach.

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  • OutsideTheBoxHK
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    MrMcmahon ok great. substantiate your claims. these claims can be supported with statistics from my trade history. Please illuminate the path for investors. Why do you say this after such great months of profit??
    Yes I assure you I am a real mathematics teacher of 16 years.
    And the odds and compounding statistics are on the side of this powerful strategy.

    25% growth in July.
    32% growtth in August.
    119% overall for 32 months.
    Sounds awesome to me.

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  • MrMcmahon
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    Originally posted by OutsideTheBoxHK View Post
    As a mathematics teacher, I know that trading is no more than a casino with ever-changing odds and timeframes and fundamentals. The sooner traders and investors accept this the better. All that matters is how much total profit can be predictably extracted over a larger SAMPLE SIZE, which in my opinion is one year.

    Every year I have been profitable.
    Every year I have had an edge.
    Every year I have kept actively working on making my multi-timeframe, multi-confirmation, probability-based technical strategy better.
    This is the year when the higher risk levels will no longer have drawdowns over 50% and when TOGETHER we will take profits all the way off the table and down in the risk levels so that COMPOUNDING can help us recuperate the capital we lost in those high risk accounts that didn't generate profits long enough for a majority of clients to benefit.

    1. high risk accounts have less capital at risk - therefore they rank as less significant in the damage they can inflict on Trading Capital. The high risk capital is kept low each month, by swiping off profits and returning high risk capital to under 10% of total capital being invested.
    2. the drawdown which you referenced above was actually 64%, not 70% as you said
    3. The Hotforex account I believe you are referring to here did not blow up. It is actually 25% higher now than the high water mark. Again, if you cut at the bottom of the drawdown that is definitely gut wrenching, but I advise to avoid doing this at all cost. Just let the account blow if it is over 75% DD, because the odds and power are more with you if you just let the strategy prove it's long term efficacy rather than intervening emotionally.
    You dont have any edge !!!!!! what you call a edge will fail 9 out of 10 times in a stress test . I doubt you are even a real maths teacher because then you would understand how the odds are against you.
    You keep on lying to yourself and others .

    You dont even understand how the market works !!!!
    I usually lurk in the shadows but now cannt tolerate all the lies you are writing in the forums .Stop cheating yourself and others

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  • OutsideTheBoxHK
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    As a mathematics teacher, I know that trading is no more than a casino with ever-changing odds and timeframes and fundamentals. The sooner traders and investors accept this the better. All that matters is how much total profit can be predictably extracted over a larger SAMPLE SIZE, which in my opinion is one year.

    Every year I have been profitable.
    Every year I have had an edge.
    Every year I have kept actively working on making my multi-timeframe, multi-confirmation, probability-based technical strategy better.
    This is the year when the higher risk levels will no longer have drawdowns over 50% and when TOGETHER we will take profits all the way off the table and down in the risk levels so that COMPOUNDING can help us recuperate the capital we lost in those high risk accounts that didn't generate profits long enough for a majority of clients to benefit.

    1. high risk accounts have less capital at risk - therefore they rank as less significant in the damage they can inflict on Trading Capital. The high risk capital is kept low each month, by swiping off profits and returning high risk capital to under 10% of total capital being invested.
    2. the drawdown which you referenced above was actually 64%, not 70% as you said
    3. The Hotforex account I believe you are referring to here did not blow up. It is actually 25% higher now than the high water mark. Again, if you cut at the bottom of the drawdown that is definitely gut wrenching, but I advise to avoid doing this at all cost. Just let the account blow if it is over 75% DD, because the odds and power are more with you if you just let the strategy prove it's long term efficacy rather than intervening emotionally.
    Last edited by OutsideTheBoxHK; 08-13-2019, 12:38 AM.

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  • BonusCashFX
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    Originally posted by primi View Post
    Yes I did invest in low risk strategy.
    primi Looks like he blew all of the profits you earned except for about 3%. So you're down 3% - sub fees?

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  • Amadorian
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    Originally posted by RenkoGuy

    Are you still talking to this Clown ?
    Yes, otherwise the truth will be lost in all the motivational speeches and advertising from otb.


    Originally posted by OutsideTheBoxHK View Post
    Doesn't look hypothetical to me.

    And again, please at least quote the facts if you want to complain. Since you cut your investment, we've made 25% and 32% in consecutive months. Sure doesn't appear like luck to me. Luck cannot be repeated over and over and over again. Luck does not have a hit rate of over 90%
    As a math teacher, you should know better...

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  • primi
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    Originally posted by OutsideTheBoxHK View Post
    Doesn't look hypothetical to me.

    1. please open your eyes - two strategies below PLUS the current low risk strategy of 2 years @ 118% gain. Not a peep out of you regarding these. Add up the profit from these three below. Not too shabby even with all the losses you were talking about at high risk -- which would be even less if you take profits to lower risk levels and off the table.
    And again, please at least quote the facts if you want to complain. Since you cut your investment, we've made 25% and 32% in consecutive months. Sure doesn't appear like luck to me. Luck cannot be repeated over and over and over again. Luck does not have a hit rate of over 90%. Especially when I'm having to field all this negativity here. We understand that YOU are pissed. This other dude too. You don't want to trust and ride it out. That's your choice so live with it. If you do as I say, you actually would be almost as happy as I am right now.
    2. please copy all the trades at the same risk as I do, otherwise your returns are not my responsibility
    3. please follow my instructions about how to take profits off the table each month, and how to allocate specific percentages of your overall capital to different risk multipliers.
    4. please withdraw some of profits regularly
    5. please do not CUT your investment at the bottom of a drawdown, these are the exact times to ADD to your investment
    (if you had done this as I did after June -- and turned the risk multiplier higher than 1x -- which I also have done -- then you would not be so irritable and disgruntled right now). This emotional style of fretting is damaging to one's overall return over the long haul -- which is what forex investment is -- a long journey not for the faint of heart.


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    Nobody in his right mint would not cut when I did. At that point you

    1. blew all your high risk account for the third time in 5 or 6 months
    2. went up to 70% DD on your low risk account
    3. blew 1 account in less than 1 week!!!

    So I continued when you blew it the first time, then you kept making the same mistakes and blew it all again. Then you just kept going only to blow it the third time. Your high risk account is nothing more than your low risk account on steroids. You had absolutely no idea how to handle DD with your high risk accounts and I'm glad I witnessed that because when you did that for the third time it became crystal clear that you still don't know how to handle DD. Cutting trades at 15% DD is just an excuse to keep the most stupid and desperate clients for a little while longer. And that's all you're left with. Stupid clients and gamblers. There's always enough of those it seems.

    If you think I'm irritated by the fact that now you made some profit again and I'm not with you anymore - think again. I'm just telling it like it is. Your trading did not improve. Your ability to handle DD did not improve. Following you only brings losses no matter how much you try to convince everyone with your track record. It doesn't work for anybody but you.

    And don't talk to me about hit rates. You can't look at hit rate on its own. And when you factor in the other things it becomes crystal clear that luck is all it is.

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