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    Hi all,
    anybody know if the account currency affect the signals result? I have a couple accounts in while signals are in $, both at 1x risk but the % gain is lower in my accounts than signal while pips are the same (almost), with one signal I have almost half results in % compared with provider master account, should not be the same result in % at 1x risk whatever is the currency?
    Thank you.

  • #2
    From what I understand if your account is in euro and the signal is in dollar, while using 1x it should give you more profit equal to the difference in exchange rate while the number of pips should be the same
    But it seems your case is the complete opposite of that

    Please post some examples from your account and the corresponding trades from the signal account to understand

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    • #3
      here a sort of screenshoot, first is my trade and second is signal master account, signal is Smart Scalper (only for show an example), as you can see I always have more pips but less %.
      Thank you.
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      Originally posted by Okda View Post
      From what I understand if your account is in euro and the signal is in dollar, while using 1x it should give you more profit equal to the difference in exchange rate while the number of pips should be the same
      But it seems your case is the complete opposite of that

      Please post some examples from your account and the corresponding trades from the signal account to understand

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      • #4
        Your lot is 0.02 while the signal is 0.07
        So your profit should be equal to = signal profit x (2/7)
        That in case the pips gained are exactly the same
        Your numbers are correct, I don't see anything wrong


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        Last edited by Okda; 04-26-2014, 08:31 PM.

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        • #5
          Finally someone asks a question that I to have been questioning....
          ..
          Here's a more proper way to explaining it than x this x that 0.02 this 0.07 that blah..
          ..
          Depending on the broker giving you a proper account Classic, standard, etc. and when certain lot size = a certain dollar amount as follows...
          ..
          Let's say you have USD account balance... Standard Account and this applies .10 lot size = $1.00 USD per pip + or -
          ..
          Let's say you have EURO account balance... Standard account and this applies .10 lot size = .72 EUR per pip + or -
          ..
          If you use the mentality of a higher number means more money than in this case USD makes more money than the Euro account. But it's actually the same when it's converted both ways... Some times when you convert the money on a specific day and time there will be a slight difference + or - a few cents due to rate exchanges.
          ..
          Another example.
          ..
          Let's say you have USD account balance... Standard Account and this applies .10 lot size = $1.00 USD per pip + or -
          ..
          Let's say you have AUD account balance... Standard account and this applies .10 lot size = 1.08$ AUD per pip + or -
          ..
          Again if you have the mentality of you thinking like most people who have aud accounts stating they make money when in comparison they are not.
          ..
          Yes AUD is making more higher numbers of $'s but when converted it's 1.08$ is the same as $1.00 USD Pips are Pips
          ..
          +32 pips in AUD account @ .10 lots IF standard and does = 1.08$/pip then this ='s +34.56$ AUD
          +32 pips in USD account @ .10 lots IF standard and does = 1.00$/pip then this ='s +32.00$ USD
          ..
          I don't have a AUD account or Euro account so I don't know if the .10 lots equals what is stated above I'm getting information on google. All brokers and the certain account you get does make a difference in how lot size ='s what account currency ='s to how many pips you get and what it makes a profit or not..
          ..
          Hope this helps....
          Last edited by EricB; 04-26-2014, 09:49 PM.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by EricB View Post
            Here's a more proper way to explaining it than x this x that 0.02 this 0.07 that blah..
            ....
            Eric,
            I really hope you loose all your money and leave this forum, it will be a much better place

            I really petty everyone around you

            Sorry for off-topic
            Last edited by Okda; 04-26-2014, 10:05 PM.

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            • #7
              If you have an account in another currency than the one the signal is in, you need to adjust the risk setting. For example, a GBP account following a signal from a USD account will need to set risk to 1.68 to get the same risk. Risk of 1 would be less.

              This is explained better in the simpletrader user guide.

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              • #8
                His complain is that he gets fewer profit while he gets more pips
                The problem is that he doesn't count the lot size difference in his calculations


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                Last edited by Okda; 04-27-2014, 12:36 AM.

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                • #9
                  No he was talking about % profit not $ profit. If using 1x risk, for the same pips, % profit should be the same as the master regardless of account currency

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                  • #10
                    Ah, then this might be that he is using available equity for his risk management not account balance. Right?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Okda View Post
                      Eric,
                      I really hope you loose all your money and leave this forum, it will be a much better place

                      I really petty everyone around you

                      Sorry for off-topic
                      Thats a bit harsh isn't it!

                      I thought we are all here to help each other and discuss things in a grown up way, I don't see wishing someone to lose all their money is a good contribution to this thread or is in the spirit of helping each other.

                      I have nothing against you Okda in fact I think you are a great guy, but this kind of talk isn't very productive.
                      Last edited by Mario Draghi; 04-27-2014, 01:42 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Okda View Post
                        Ah, then this might be that he is using available equity for his risk management not account balance. Right?

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                        It shouldn't make a difference at 1x unless there are multiple signals running on the account. If that's the case then the results will rarely be exactly the same

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Okda View Post
                          Eric,
                          I really hope you loose all your money and leave this forum, it will be a much better place

                          I really petty everyone around you

                          Sorry for off-topic
                          You do the one thing you do best on these forums, posting on every forum replying to every thing as if you are all knowing about everything and know how to solve everyone's problems.
                          Although I'm sure it's all in good intentions but your postings are like me "annoying."

                          Thanks For the best wishes!!!
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                          • #14
                            Hi pearcey2,

                            What you're saying would be true *if* SimpleTrader included an account currency ratio in its slave account lot size calculation (as do other signal services like mql5 and myfxbook autotrade). But it doesn't do that. Subscribers have to adjust their risk factor accordingly when the slave and master accounts have different currencies. See the following note from the ST wiki (https://www.simpletrader.net/wiki.php?do=view&id=18):

                            "Note Risk Multiplier considers the balances as unit amounts not by currency therefore if your Master and Slave are different currencies you need factor this in to the calculation."

                            You can see why an adjustment in risk factor is required when considering the following example:

                            Master account $10,000 USD
                            Subscriber account is 10,000 EUR with risk = 1
                            Lets assume the master enters an AUD/USD trade at 0.5 lots. With a risk factor of 1, ST will calculate a matching lot size of 0.5 lots given the same account balance (in unit amounts.). Assume the trade closes with 100 pips earned on both accounts. Trade profit in USD = 0.5 x $100,000 x 100/10,000 = $500 USD. This is a 5% gain for the master, but when converted to EUR to be credited to the sub's account, its only about 361 EUR (assuming the current rate for EUR/USD = 1.3836), or a 3.61% profit. Same account balance in units, same lot size, same pips gained, but different % gain.

                            For the sub get the same % gain as the master, they need to set the risk to the exchange rate of the sub/master account currencies (1.38 in the above example).

                            Hope this helps. Feel free to chime in anyone if you can spot a hole in my calculations ...


                            Originally posted by pearcey2 View Post
                            No he was talking about % profit not $ profit. If using 1x risk, for the same pips, % profit should be the same as the master regardless of account currency

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Pianetti View Post
                              Hi all,
                              anybody know if the account currency affect the signals result? I have a couple accounts in while signals are in $, both at 1x risk but the % gain is lower in my accounts than signal while pips are the same (almost), with one signal I have almost half results in % compared with provider master account, should not be the same result in % at 1x risk whatever is the currency?
                              Thank you.
                              See here.
                              https://www.simpletrader.net/wiki.php?do=view&id=18

                              What you want to do is replicate the EXACT same risk as the master. You can ONLY do this by making your own formula if your account is in a different currency. You can easily make this formula in Excel or Google Drive.

                              But as an example I have AUD account.

                              When I copy Trade Alerter I use risk = 1 (master is in AUD)
                              When I copy Smart Trader I use risk = 0.93 (master is in USD) AU = 0.9290 now

                              If I were to copy a EUR master then I would use risk = 1.49 --> EA is now 1.4920

                              So in your case Pianetti you should use risk = 1.38 --> (because EU is 1.3833 now)

                              You should then of course every 2 weeks or so change your risk setting, so in 2 week when the EU is down to 1.3620 you should change your risk to = 1.36

                              Capisce?

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