Ceasar2 signal

[SpiderX]

Hi Nick,

That's cool, hope something good turns out from this experiment.
It would be great if you could post pics from your analytics page comparing both accounts as time goes on.

cheers

[Nick]

Hey Guys,

We've set up a test of Ceasar2 using both MT4 and cTrader under identical conditions for you to compare.

Both these accounts are hosted on the same VPS isolated from anything else that could cause a drain on resources.

Both are trading with IC Markets on identical leverage.

MT4 Test: http://www.myfxbook.com/members/Nick...t4-test/998626

cTrader Test: http://www.myfxbook.com/members/Nick...er-test/998623

The real issue is that brokers can't close thousands of trades at once during high volatility, however I'm expecting an improvement considering cTrader is regarded as having much faster execution than MT4.

[SpiderX]

Hi Will,

Probably another thing which the analytics package need to track is the delay between the trade execution on the signal master and the trade being broadcast on the broadcast server.
That way it is possible on the user end to know what is the real delay due to latency between broadcast server and vps + trade execution latency.
To be honest, i dont see how the latter can add up to >5s.

Cheers

[pearcey2]

I'm not sure this will make a noticeable difference. Surely that delay is around 100ms or less

[WhiteApe]

the signal provider should move to a UK based broker because that will shave off the delay from IC markets NYC to ST Uk server. That would probably be the fastest implementation.

that has to be a good idea surely?

[Okda]

Where the sender ea is located? Can this be one of the causes of the big delay?

[pearcey2]

Just want to add one of my key gripes, it seems that simpletrader has partnerships with Axi/IC Markets who have their trading servers in NY...however ironically, the signal server is based in UK.
Is there any possibility to have another signal server in NY ?
That way signal providers using brokers with servers in NY host their signals in NY, while those using brokers with servers in LD, can host in the UK.
That might be the best possible setup for everyone.

Cheers

Also IC Markets ctrader servers are in London so if execution time is important to you maybe look to use that when it's available (possibly very soon)

[siamfx]

Just want to add one of my key gripes, it seems that simpletrader has partnerships with Axi/IC Markets who have their trading servers in NY...however ironically, the signal server is based in UK.
Is there any possibility to have another signal server in NY ?
That way signal providers using brokers with servers in NY host their signals in NY, while those using brokers with servers in LD, can host in the UK.
That might be the best possible setup for everyone.

Cheers

the signal provider should move to a UK based broker because that will shave off the delay from IC markets NYC to ST Uk server. That would probably be the fastest implementation.

[SpiderX]

Just want to add one of my key gripes, it seems that simpletrader has partnerships with Axi/IC Markets who have their trading servers in NY...however ironically, the signal server is based in UK.
Is there any possibility to have another signal server in NY ?
That way signal providers using brokers with servers in NY host their signals in NY, while those using brokers with servers in LD, can host in the UK.
That might be the best possible setup for everyone.

Cheers

[SpiderX]

Hi Will,

I am a subscriber for this signal...and also bought the statistics package to figure what was going wrong.
It was possible to see the trade closing execution and also the amount of slippage.
I contacted ICMarkets and provided them with the ticket number of those trades with closing execution >5s and also serious slippage.
ICM was able to give details on each of these trades and prove that they were executed <500 ms.
So whatever is causing the >5s execution...it is most likely not ICM's fault.

Will...could you repeat your video experiment with a London broker like Armada markets and see the difference compared to a US broker like IC Markets ?

Cheers

[WillT]

Hey guys - Ok so CTrader is setup and running. I'll get this added to myfxbook shrotly.

Good idea regarding MT4 - I'll get another $500 setup on ICM on MT4.

[pearcey2]

To update further on this - This signal had 2 trades close this morning at 2014/08/14 09:45:13 - almost the exact same time as yesterday morning (not that this is relevant)

Looking through all the closures on our system - we have 95% of people closing in an acceptable timeframe. I class acceptable as 2 seconds:

- EA recieves command to close
- EA closes
- EA reports back to our system

So generally I say that 2 seconds equates to more like 1.5seconds to actually close the trade as there are a few extra bits that the EA does before it tells our system that its closed.

So in this instance - with just 2 trade basket everything closed without issue. So now we will wait for a larger basket to see if this happens again.

* our ctrader live acc won't get setup for about 24 hours

Will,

Are you able to set up a mt4 account running on the same server/broker etc for direct comparison? Just to see exactly what the difference is between the platform

[vontogr]

Hi guys, we've been in contact with Tomas and we've suggested that we setup our own live account and run cTrader to see if this alleviates any problems.

From what I can see the issue lies here:

The signal has a good amount of followers, with a basket of 10+ trades all closing at the same time. So you have X Followers * 10+ trades all trying to close at the same time. In simple terms, the handful of brokers get flooded with requests to close thousands of trades in a single second

Whats the plan?
- We will initially setup a live account using cTrader and upon next basket close we can compare to see if there are any benefits. cTrader does still use the same liqudity providers, however each broker is running a seperate server to run cTrader software so it is possible this is more to do with slow response from the brokers server and not liqudity (I am more inclined to say liquidity as we have seen this before when FX Amp had large number of subscribers)
- We are also going to run some tests on MT4 in the background trying to simulate the signal. This is a lot harder than it soundsd and we might not be able too - as effectively we need a lot of seperate account setup all running the same test signal.
- We will be in contact with IC Markets to see if they can see any delays on their server end at the time of this closure yesterday

Please be aware that we want this to work for both Tomas and his clients - so this is of utmost importance to us. That being said, we must approach this with an open mind. The forex markets are complex, and it is possible that the shear nature of the markets is causing slippage to occur.

I'll keep you all posted.

Working on cTrader testing. cTrader is great BTW in terms of execution and with IcMarkets you get great spread and leverage

[vontogr]

I follow this signal, and to be honest I'm not sure if I will continue for much longer. I feel it's a matter of WHEN and not IF it will have a 40% blow up

Sent from Uranus

Hi,

I am the provider of the signal.
40% DD can never happen as there is equity protection at 33%.
Anyway the master account is running for year with stable performance and usual DD less than 10%.
Peak DD was about 30% which is not much considering 15-20% monthly profit.

BR

Tomas

[WillT]

To update further on this - This signal had 2 trades close this morning at 2014/08/14 09:45:13 - almost the exact same time as yesterday morning (not that this is relevant)

Looking through all the closures on our system - we have 95% of people closing in an acceptable timeframe. I class acceptable as 2 seconds:

- EA recieves command to close
- EA closes
- EA reports back to our system

So generally I say that 2 seconds equates to more like 1.5seconds to actually close the trade as there are a few extra bits that the EA does before it tells our system that its closed.

So in this instance - with just 2 trade basket everything closed without issue. So now we will wait for a larger basket to see if this happens again.

* our ctrader live acc won't get setup for about 24 hours